Comments on: Which are the selected projects? http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/ Tue, 21 Feb 2012 13:59:58 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Thisisafraud http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-27 Thisisafraud Sun, 13 May 2007 18:16:14 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-27 To all those who complaint: You are all right. This is just a contest made by Enrique Dans and his friends to get money out of some sposors and place their friends in front of the media. Now Enrique Dans will go all around Spain talking about the web 2.0 and your ideas. That is the way he works. Pass the word To all those who complaint: You are all right. This is just a contest made by Enrique Dans and his friends to get money out of some sposors and place their friends in front of the media. Now Enrique Dans will go all around Spain talking about the web 2.0 and your ideas. That is the way he works. Pass the word

]]> By: admin http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-26 admin Sat, 12 May 2007 01:00:51 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-26 To Mark. Actionize was not among the 5 most voted projects. It was considered by the technical committee, though, but didn't make it in their selection. Anyway, it was considered as one of the most interesting projects and almost made it. Your remarks are extremely negative. We do agree we should have communicated a little bit better. It was very hard, though, as there were almost 300 projects taking part in the contest. To Mark. Actionize was not among the 5 most voted projects. It was considered by the technical committee, though, but didn’t make it in their selection. Anyway, it was considered as one of the most interesting projects and almost made it.

Your remarks are extremely negative. We do agree we should have communicated a little bit better. It was very hard, though, as there were almost 300 projects taking part in the contest.

]]> By: admin http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-25 admin Wed, 09 May 2007 23:09:40 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-25 To Mark. I am sorry you don't like it. We tried our best. I assume we can have made some mistakes during the process, but not all the ones you mention. We will try to learn something, though, and improve it for next time. To Mark. I am sorry you don’t like it. We tried our best. I assume we can have made some mistakes during the process, but not all the ones you mention. We will try to learn something, though, and improve it for next time.

]]> By: MR http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-24 MR Wed, 09 May 2007 21:43:31 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-24 Excuse me... I am not a contestant but I have to comment on something. "The tool can see when votes are placed from the same IP number. This was against the rules of the contest." Unless you investigate the IPs one by one, your tool is a hugely unreliable test. Votes through a proxy may be different people and therefore legitimate votes. AOL is such a (huge) proxy. Companies, universities, governmental organisations all use proxies. So if your site focuses on such communities you will have votes from the same IP. What is worse, such a rule also means that you can easily have a contestant disqualified. If there are any conditions for voting then you should at least have informed contestants. I have so far been unable to find competition rules on this site. Excuse me… I am not a contestant but I have to comment on something.

“The tool can see when votes are placed from the same IP number. This was against the rules of the contest.”

Unless you investigate the IPs one by one, your tool is a hugely unreliable test. Votes through a proxy may be different people and therefore legitimate votes. AOL is such a (huge) proxy. Companies, universities, governmental organisations all use proxies. So if your site focuses on such communities you will have votes from the same IP.

What is worse, such a rule also means that you can easily have a contestant disqualified.

If there are any conditions for voting then you should at least have informed contestants. I have so far been unable to find competition rules on this site.

]]> By: Mark Overmars http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-23 Mark Overmars Wed, 09 May 2007 17:11:29 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-23 We at YoYo Games (www.yoyogames.com) also feel treated badly. Our site got 192 votes, which would put us in second place. Still we are not on the selected page and nobody told us anything. Mark Overmars We at YoYo Games (www.yoyogames.com) also feel treated badly. Our site got 192 votes, which would put us in second place. Still we are not on the selected page and nobody told us anything.

Mark Overmars

]]> By: Mark http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-22 Mark Wed, 09 May 2007 15:43:32 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-22 This competition is a great disappointment and a waste of time. I don't mind if you waste your time but you should not waste the time of others. We submitted www.actionize.com as a project. We organized some events where we presented our new product to prospects and asked them to vote for us (that is called campaigning). All these votes come from valid email addresses but also come from the same IP address. All votes from our office or from associates come from the same IP addresses as well. What is wrong with that? It is not fair to establish rules and only tell them to the participants when the process of voting is over, assuming (without telling) that they have cheated. Not one of the so called experts has ever subscribed to our service to see what it is all about. Is this serious? Sorry guys, but the only good thing about this competition is the idea of having a competition. Here my rating about YOUR performance: - WEBSITE: horrible (how is it possible to submit a project without a valid URL if the URL is compulsary, and that is just one example). And you guys are assesing our Web 2.0 work? - RULES: ridiculous, better have no rules than hidden rules - ORGANIZATION: terrible, no deadline for the end of voting, voting is still possible now, voting as such is too time consuming, registration and voting are not one workflow, but two separate processes - COMMUNICATION: non-existent, we have to go to a blog of a swiss girl to see who are the 15 finalists. The least you could have done would have been to send an email to inform the participants about who was selected and why some where not (even when getting the most votes) CONCLUSION: What a mess! I can just hope that you don't repeat that "competition" next year again. This competition is a great disappointment and a waste of time. I don’t mind if you waste your time but you should not waste the time of others.

We submitted http://www.actionize.com as a project. We organized some events where we presented our new product to prospects and asked them to vote for us (that is called campaigning). All these votes come from valid email addresses but also come from the same IP address. All votes from our office or from associates come from the same IP addresses as well. What is wrong with that? It is not fair to establish rules and only tell them to the participants when the process of voting is over, assuming (without telling) that they have cheated.

Not one of the so called experts has ever subscribed to our service to see what it is all about. Is this serious?
Sorry guys, but the only good thing about this competition is the idea of having a competition.

Here my rating about YOUR performance:
- WEBSITE: horrible (how is it possible to submit a project without a valid URL if the URL is compulsary, and that is just one example). And you guys are assesing our Web 2.0 work?
- RULES: ridiculous, better have no rules than hidden rules
- ORGANIZATION: terrible, no deadline for the end of voting, voting is still possible now, voting as such is too time consuming, registration and voting are not one workflow, but two separate processes
- COMMUNICATION: non-existent, we have to go to a blog of a swiss girl to see who are the 15 finalists. The least you could have done would have been to send an email to inform the participants about who was selected and why some where not (even when getting the most votes)

CONCLUSION: What a mess! I can just hope that you don’t repeat that “competition” next year again.

]]> By: Al. Daudet http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-21 Al. Daudet Wed, 09 May 2007 12:05:51 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-21 I don't accuse anybody. It is just a fact with an open question. I don’t accuse anybody.
It is just a fact with an open question.

]]> By: Francisco http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-20 Francisco Wed, 09 May 2007 11:51:48 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-20 If you are accusing Doceos of cheating, I guess you can prove it. Anyhow we are still waiting for an official answer. If you are accusing Doceos of cheating, I guess you can prove it. Anyhow we are still waiting for an official answer.

]]> By: Al. Daudet http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-19 Al. Daudet Wed, 09 May 2007 10:11:17 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-19 Hello, It mentions that people can submit their project until the 5th may. it was too late if they were posted the 5th May ? Hello,

It mentions that people can submit their project until the 5th may. it was too late if they were posted the 5th May ?

]]> By: admin http://www.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-18 admin Tue, 08 May 2007 23:09:21 +0000 http://blog.startup2.eu/2007/05/05/which-are-the-selected-projects/#comment-18 To IrisAlerts. I am sorry, but your project was submitted when new submissions were already closed. Maybe next year. To IrisAlerts. I am sorry, but your project was submitted when new submissions were already closed. Maybe next year.

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